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      I cannot begin to tell you how many times I hear from people dealing with "mold growth" or "regrowth" "after they" (the mold remediators) "left". 

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      "I hired this company to get rid of the mold," one Terre Haute (Indiana) lady states.  "After they got done, they told me all was back to normal.  But a few weeks later I see mold growing again."

      That's just one example of what I'm talking about.  So, let's talk about what might cause mold regrowth after the remediation crews leave the property.

      1.)  They didn't remediate the property; they mitigated the situation.  The very word itself, remediate, means to remedy a situation.  One cannot do that if they aren't addressing all of the causal factors related to mold growth.  If the causal factors are left behind - irregardless of how much work they do - the mold will return.  So, make sure all of the causal factors are addressed prior to or in conjunction with the demolition and cleaning of moldy building materials and systems.

      2.)  New causal factors have arisen since the remediation crew left.  There are situations where new issues arise after proper remediation is completed.  For example, I performed a post-mold remediation verification inspection on a home that had extensive remediation performed.  Everything looked and measured great.  Then, shortly after the remediation crews had left the property, a water-supply line began to leak in the crawl space.  At first the leak was slow enough to go undetected, but eventually (nearly six-to-seven weeks after the remediation crews left...) it ruptured completely.  By the time the plumber had finished fixing the leak, the home owners found mold in the crawl space.

      The best way to avoid situations like this and the conflict (between building owner and remediation companies) is to follow the advice of the Institute of Inspection, Cleaning and Restoration Certification's S520, Standard & Reference Guide for Professional Mold Remediation, and hire an "independent Indoor Environmental Professional" to perform pre-remediation assessments and post-remediation verification inspections.  This person's job is to independently and without conflict of interest assess the building situation and report on his or her findings.  These findings should include:

      1.) causal factors for any ill-condition they discover;
      2.) extent of contamination in the building;
      3.) disclosure of their analytical processes;
      4.) interpretations of measures for clear understanding;
      5.) photographs from their investigation;
      6.) a corrective action plan (i.e., mold remediation protocol); and,
      7.) other relevant information pertaining to the inspection.

      If you have questions about this process or your situation, contact me at [email protected] or call (812) 229-4097.

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      Re: Mold Regrowth After Remediation of Property
      « Reply #1 on: February 22, 2017, 10:09:22 PM »
          Well said Jason.

          Everyone in Indiana who is a Mold Removal expert use only Jason Yost for all of your pre and post testing. It will save you in the end from liability and legalities.

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          Re: Mold Regrowth After Remediation of Property
          « Reply #2 on: February 28, 2017, 09:26:21 AM »
              Well said Jason.

              Everyone in Indiana who is a Mold Removal expert use only Jason Yost for all of your pre and post testing. It will save you in the end from liability and legalities.

              Thank you, @Devon Shubin Water Solutions
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                  I too here of such horror stories.  Here is Georgia we are year in and year out trying to get legislation passed . That everyone in
                  the Mold Remediation business Must be licensed. This would begin to put a stop to the so called Mop and Bleach bucket so
                  called technicians .
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                      is this what you are referring too or is yours a different product? http://www.endurancebiobarrier.com

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                          I appreciate the comments, everyone.  In response, I'd like to make two professional observations:

                          1.)  License laws in most states have done nothing to protect consumers - except (in a couple of these states) require certification through the ACAC, for example.  Certification is harder to get than a certificate of training, so it tells consumers that this or that professional is willing to invest in more than just a one-week or three-day or online education.  Anyway, my point is that if history has anything to teach us, license laws aren't the solution.

                          2.)  Encapsulating a surface should not - in most cases - be done until after the independent Indoor Environmental Professional's post-mold remediation verification inspection.  This assures the surfaces were adequately cleaned and not covered up.  You won't find a guideline or standard or regulation that recommends encapsulation.  So, avoid that in every case possible.
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                              This is a wonderful discussion.

                              My take on the education of mold removal is having a IEP like @JasonYost or @DavidSnell to work hand in hand with.

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                                  @Devon Shubin Water Solutions what do you think of our industry developing a certification and training specifically for a professional called a Restoration (or Remediation) Safety & Health Professional?  We could have the American Council for Accredited Certification (ACAC) or someone like them to come up with the certification.  It would address the need for restoration and remediation companies to have a "competent person" on each and every claim via OSHA's recommendation.  This person wouldn't take the place of the "Indoor Environmental Professional" but help organize and keep safe the workplaces.  For example, they could assure employees are donning and doffing the PPE correctly, that engineering controls stay operational and effective, that ladders are used correctly, coordinate with the safety team to develop and organize internally for the business' safety and health compliance programs, and more...
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                                      I think its a great idea, the real issue would be man power. Can you imagine throughout the US every day how many projects in mitigation are going on? tens of thousands. There would be a huge backlog if a company small or large is waiting for this specialist to oversee each and every project.

                                      Then there is the issue of who will front the bill for this new role?

                                      With insurance claim work as I have briefly experienced, the adjusters try and slash the bill already. There is no more room for a IEP (mold inspector) and a new role.

                                      What do you think @JasonYost

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                                          I think its a great idea, the real issue would be man power. Can you imagine throughout the US every day how many projects in mitigation are going on? tens of thousands. There would be a huge backlog if a company small or large is waiting for this specialist to oversee each and every project.

                                          Then there is the issue of who will front the bill for this new role?

                                          With insurance claim work as I have briefly experienced, the adjusters try and slash the bill already. There is no more room for a IEP (mold inspector) and a new role.

                                          What do you think @JasonYost

                                          The problem @Devon Shubin Water Solutions is that OSHA already expects a "competent person" to be involved on each and every of these claims to assure worker safety.  Just because it is costly doesn't allow a business to ignore the regulations, or just because they get away with not having one most of the time doesn't justify ignoring the law.  The question many customers are starting to ask is, "If they care so little about their own safety and health, how do I trust them with my own, or my family's, or my employees, etc.?"  And, I think that's a fair question.

                                          Organizing for such a person is important.  Organizing to keep the workplace safe is important.  But most business owners do not know how to do that.  They don't teach that in IICRC courses or in prep for certifications.  (I've got a class that teaches that, by the way.  I'm working on courses that are lacking in the industry.  Anyone interested can call me at 812-229-4097 or write to [email protected].)

                                          When I worked in the restoration business, meeting these goals (by OSHA) actually saved us money and made us money.  Firstly, we passed every post-mold remediation verification inspection the first time (with exception to 2 in 15 years, and those 2 the inspector didn't know why we failed), so we were able to move our human resources from job to job much faster than had we failed and returned and failed and returned to a single job over and over.  Secondly, we had only 1 workman's comp claim in those 15 years.  This saved us points on our workman's comp insurance and kept our human resources working.  . . . .   I could go on and on.  I think I've made my point.

                                          The problem is most business owners or their managers don't know how to see safety through the lens of cost, competitive advantage, compliance and ethics - integrally.  Their liabilities go up as a result.
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                                              The most successful jobs we have done in the past, all the safety factors always worked out for best, customer satisfaction, insurance payments on time, and repeat customer business. Short cuts including non safe procedures, always came back to bite the crew and the company in the neck when we least expected it.  You can not be successful sliding by the safety issues in our Industry. I teach this to my IICRC WRT Classes among other tips of experience, like how to deal with adjusters.



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                                                  @Larryfried that's real important for many to learn; because, they don't get it anywhere else.  I hope to organize to have a business organization and safety and health courses for 2018.  I'll catch up with you to review them once I get them done.
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